Posted by Mike Pell on July 01, 1998 at 11:50:27 in james.hwcn.org:
In Reply to: Re: 1/350 Pipe conflict posted by Bob Read on June 30, 1998 at 22:34:00:
: : In the 1/350 Minicraft instruction booklet, page 22, step 57, we are asked to assemble part G11 which is a pipe that extends from the roof of the structure that number 4 funnel sits on and glue the other end to the top of the second class entrance in front of the elevator room.
: : We have found in various Marschall paintings the depiction of this pipe presented by him in two ways.
: : The first shows it presented as the model suggests it should be glued. To reach the elevator/2nd class roof it needs to go through the roof railings.
: : IN other paintings by Marschall (for example the one of the ship splitting), he shows the pipe coming out from the roof of the number four funnel structure, but instead of crossing the span over to the 2nd class entrance roof he shows it to not cross the span but bend down and terminate on the roof of the 1st class smoking room. Check also his 3/4 view cutaway painting in Illustrated history or Inside The Titanic.
: : We have found no Titanic photos clear enough or at the right angle to determine if the model's suggested position is correct or if it needs to terminate on the 1st class roof instead. Does anyone know for certain?
: : Also if anyone has deckplans, can you locate -all- the hose hydrants for us that are on the boat deck. I have found only two on the portside using photos of the Titanic but would be interested in were they all are.
: Mike:
: The pipe you are referring to proceeds from the base of the fourth funnel to a Gibbs Extractor ventilator which is on the roof of the first class smoking room. This is the same type of ventilator that is connected to the pipe that runs from the top of the ventilator aft of the first funnel.
: Photo evidence is just about nil. I believe it may be shown on one of the large detailed H&W deck plans.
: I am not sure what hydrants you are referring to on the boat deck. I believe there were two hydrants each on the fore and aft well decks. If there are more I'd be interested in trying to identify them in photos.
Bob: Thanks for the pipe info. The best photo we have found is the one of the Titanic leaving Southampton with the handwriting scribbled on the bottom. A 2 page enlargement of said photo appears in Bonsall's book and you can just see the top of the pipe and it bending down before it crosses the span. A dark shadow just peeking out looks to be the `collar' of the downward section of the pipe that goes to the 1st class roof. The model then is WRONG. For anyone reading this G11 does NOT go to the 2nd class staircase. As for hydrants Bob the one (for sure) can be seen in the overhead mosaic of the crashed Titanic on the portside of the boatdeck. Use Ballard's Discovery Of The Titanic. Reading his text I followed along where he sent Jason on the last dive and looking at the photo of the hydrant was able to use it and compare it to the mosaic. Equal to the opening of the canopied crew's boatdeck stairs by the bridge and #2 lifeboat is the dark speck of the hydrant on the extreme edge near the stanchions. The
second hydrant appears to be at the foot of a davit at the rearmost portside boat seen in a photo of people walking along the boat deck of the real Titanic. It appears as a small dark object deck level against the white of the davit's base.